**** I'm **** Right Now

WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
edited September 2011 in Off-Topic Discussions
Warning: Incoming Rant/Rage

What the **** is THIS? Phanjam PMed me to say he'd been contacted by a website called gmods.com saying that they uploaded his mods without his permission. It CLAIMS that if he does not "claim an account" with them then the mods will be deleted when the service finishes its beta. I'm pretty certain that I've said since day one that all mods belong to their original authors, and you have to ASK PERMISSION before you can take them and put them anywhere else. I check out the website, and it appears that they are slowly but surely going through our mods and uploading them all.

Apparently this site is owned by Olympus Games, which is some random company that hasn't updated its news section in four years. It smells like an obvious attempt for a company with no interest in anything other than money to steal the hard work of community sites like mine.

I ended up sending out a mass e-mail to the RGF userlist, telling modders about what was happening and how to contact the people there if they want their work removed. I can't even tell how many mods they have taken so far, because the organization is confusing and there are no numbers anywhere. It looks like an obvious "make it look shiny to steal all the users" ploy rather than to focus on something like functionality. Grrrrr.....

Oh, and their contact form doesn't work. Fortunately Phanjam gave me the e-mail address of the person he got contacted from, so I included that in the mass e-mail.

Now to put a nice fat "Do Not Steal" type message on the downloads section. What a waste of my time to have to do this...
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  • PawsPaws Posts: 1,933
    I hate it when people plagiarize my work. Makes me want to dropkick small puppies into their faces.
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    That would be so mean to the puppies.
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  • PawsPaws Posts: 1,933
    I'm a cat person. Duh.
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  • jamesLjamesL Posts: 3,568
    I hate it when people plagiarize my work. Makes me want to dropkick small puppies into their faces.
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  • OmnifasOmnifas Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭
    I feel sorry for these puppies...

    How hard is it to make a thread on this forum, title it "Mod Hosting", and in the text "Hi we are hosting Torchlight Mods now, but we're in beta, if you like a key feel free to contact us."

    At least this way you start off on the right foot with the modders, unlike "hey I downloaded your mod and uploaded it on our site, make an account"
  • amb2010amb2010 Posts: 2,946
    I can't tell if I'm going crazy or not, but did jamesL copy paste what Paws said?

    Anyways seems the site was removed so that problem is over. Other than that it was a fairly stupid thing to do, hosting mods and what not is fine and helps them spread but you *need* permission to do so, the fact it's on the internet doesn't automatically give anyone the right to do what they want with it which is something most internet-goers seem to misunderstand.
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    Yeah, it took me a moment to realize what jamesl was doing there :P

    And the site is still up, I just mistyped it.
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  • wolfmanewolfmane Posts: 1,997
    Actually sounds like a phishing scam to me.
    It CLAIMS that if he does not "claim an account" with them then the mods will be deleted when the service finishes its beta.

    That's the fishy part (pun intended) that set up red flags for me. I'd be careful with dealing with whoever this gmod site is.
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  • amb2010amb2010 Posts: 2,946
    Gah that *about Gmod* section makes me want to rip my eyes out. Not only do they have the site name as "gmod" which will direct a ton of traffic from people looking up stuff for gmod (aka gary's mod for those that don't know) but the whole "We are trying to revolutionize the modding community" is the biggest load of **** I've seen in awhile. It does indeed seem like a fishy site and I for one won't be downloading anything.

    The site itself hurts my eyes as well, who ever made it must not have paid attention during his "website 101" class/tutorial.
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  • hawknhawkn Posts: 8,348
    That is bull ****. If they took my mods (I don't care how crappy they were), I'll still be ****. I feel for you Web... I appreciate what you do, and these guys throwing a **** site together is not cool. Is there a way to have them taken down?
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    I'm honestly not sure. It looks like some of the mods were uploaded months ago. I wouldn't have known if Phanjam hadn't told me, because no one ever contacted me. Also, their contact form didn't appear to work and I can't e-mail the company that owns them until I get home from work.
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  • OmnifasOmnifas Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭
    their about gmod is funny, "We are trying to revolutionize the modding community" reminds me of Mod DB.
  • TanukiTanuki Posts: 2,205
    it's a troll site, your not going to be able to get them to take down your stuff so just be sure to tell people to stay away.

    when I clicked the link (before fully reading your OP) I was all "WTF, why is Web posting a link to a spam site?"
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    Human spambots then, since they have to manually take and make everything. They did it for so many other games too.
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  • DushoDusho Posts: 988
    it says there:
    Mod content has been uploaded to gmod.com for testing purposes only.
    Any mods not linked to an author with an acitve account will be removed when GMOD goes live.

    So, if no one claims account that was created for him, mods should go down, I guess.
    they can't even upload .png pictures properly.
  • I think you should keep an eye on when the site goes live and if they haven't purged your stuff, it's time to throw the lawbook at them. You own the rights to those mods.

    If it were me I'd already be looking to sue, testing purposes or not, but that's just me.
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    I'll be keeping an eye on them, and if the big fat red warning on RGF doesn't give them any clues and they don't delete the files after beta (or, if the beta NEVER ENDS) I'll have to figure out what to do. I don't own the rights to the mods, but stealing them without permission of the creators probably is just as illegal. Still, what the heck do I know about lawyers? It sounds complicated.
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  • ZiddersZidders Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭
    Here's a great page about just this sort of thing
    http://developer.valvesoftware.com/wiki ... tent_Usage

    Basically, Runic grants you a license. Some of the mod is under their copyright, some under your own. YOu're free to offer it for download, but anyone who then has the mod needs to get specific permission from you to do anything to it or redistribute, unless it's specifically stated somewhere in the mod that they're allowed to do otherwise.

    This article applies as well;
    http://www.art-licensing.biz/post/2011/ ... ernet.aspx

    Here's how to file a DMCA takedown notice.
    http://www.naturescapes.net/docs/index.php/articles/314

    This is where knowing a lot of furry artists who have dealt with just this sort of thing pays off. A lot of art online gets stolen and redistributed. It can get pretty nightmarish dealing with the sheer amount of websites that repost art illegaly ^_^ Hope this helps!
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  • HeavyHeavy Posts: 456
    I agree, it's frustrating to have your work appropriated and used in a way that is beyond your control. This has been an ongoing issue on the internet for a good long time now. Regardless of the convenience of it (or perhaps because of it), many authors, artists, songwriters, etc are terribly standoffish about using the internet to publish. Some consider the online domain a land of surrendered copyright, given the ease with which scoundrels can take liberties, and the difficulty one is faced with in trying to seek redress of such wrongs.

    At one time, it was Napster disseminating recordings of songs without the artist getting diddley for their efforts. Then it was AOL, and later Scribd, reprinting published novels in whole cloth without so much as an acknowledgement of the rights of the authors.

    And now computer game mods. It's sad to see every emerging field of creative endeavor have to take a long hard slog through this particular mudhole.
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    I think this is more related to content farming than anything else. Instead of an RSS feed stealing my news posts it's some person or people stealing our files.
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  • File a DMCA take down and if they don't comply take em to court, that's what I'd do. Teach them, they **** with the wrong guy.

    Zidders is right about that info.
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  • SekkurelSekkurel Posts: 1,010
    File a DMCA take down and if they don't comply take em to court, that's what I'd do. Teach them, they **** with the wrong guy.

    Zidders is right about that info.

    You make it sound so easy ...
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  • hawknhawkn Posts: 8,348
    Well, the application shouldn't be the hard part. But I don't think they should be allowed to use other people's mods with permission, even for "testing".
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    I'm not sure how this all works. Legal things aren't my strong point. It also doesn't help that RGF isn't a company, and even though I'm a US citizen I don't live in the US right now. Nor could I afford a lawyer if I needed one. Nor does the content all belong to me. I suppose if they don't take anything down I could see what other sites they have been stealing mods from other games for, and join up with them in case anyone wants to take action.

    It's annoying. At the very least it's almost impossible that the site will ever rise up on google enough to come close to challenging RGF's ranking for Torchlight Mods.
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  • ZiddersZidders Posts: 14,342 ✭✭✭
    Unfortunately, beyond a DMCA notice, there's nothing you can really do about it, unless you go through the trouble of getting a lawyer...and in that case, is a mod REALLY worth it? As cool as some of the mods are and as much time as they may take to make, this is kinda the risk you take when you put stuff on the net, especially when you specifically put it out there for people to download.

    The best way to handle it is to keep word of mouth going about both the forums here and especially the RGF. When people come here, maybe have a sticky announcing that so and so's website is stealing mods, dont go there because for all we know, they may be putting viruses in the mods, or something like that. Have something announcing the same thing over at RFF. Ask people to complain and send (polite) emails to the offending websites host, mentioning that they will keep spreading bad words about the offending website unless they stop allowing the website theyre hosting to host infringing material. Kill them with kindness and annoy them with politely worded emails. ISP's tend to have terms in their TOS's forbidding any website hosted by them from hosting anything that infringes on copyright,
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  • You ALWAYS need a lawyer, unless it's small claims.
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  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    Yeah... Let's just wait and see what happens.
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  • SekkurelSekkurel Posts: 1,010
    maybe include some sort of notice or readme file that says that this mod was from RGF and you shouldn't believe what other sites say or something similiar.
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  • OmnifasOmnifas Posts: 3,442 ✭✭✭
    Sekkurel wrote:
    maybe include some sort of notice or readme file that says that this mod was from RGF and you shouldn't believe what other sites say or something similiar.

    I was gonna suggest that, someone trying to quickly build up a database isn't gonna read all readmes inside the compressed file, and add "_RGF_Moddb_HS_Version" to the filename too. Gotta protect yourself.
  • WebbstreWebbstre Posts: 7,221 ✭✭✭
    Since it's a big hassle to do that for all the files we already have, I'll try to get that as a feature for the TL2 mod database.
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