The misconception about Runics closed servers

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  • MooksMooks Posts: 10
    we kittens now
  • CheesyPeasCheesyPeas Posts: 1,250
    What would an overpowered kitten affix be? I'm going to go with 'fluffy'. Although 'adorable' is quite good, too.
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  • travisbaldreetravisbaldree Posts: 1,665 ✭✭✭✭
    So, I'll make a big response.

    To start with, I'd dispute the claim that 'virtually all playtime will be spent in endgame'. What does endgame mean to you here? Sitting at max level and killing the same things over and over again?
    Because if that's what you mean by endgame, then you are absolutely right, we don't have one. I mean, you can do that. We have random maps and we allow you to NG+ ad-infinitum so that you can whack things to death at level 100 to your heart's content. I don't think that's fun, or something that I want to be doing, so we aren't making a game that focuses on that. We want you to play the game AGAIN. That's the point of randomization. That's why we don't allow full respecs. That's why we built a ridiculous amount of randomized content so that your next playthrough feels fresh, and not like a complete retread. What's the 'endgame' of Nethack?

    To be clear, I understand that many people enjoy that. That's fantastic, and there are MANY games that cater to that specific need. But we aren't, and never will be, one of them - nor have we ever pretended to be, or aspired to be.

    Official word on PVP - we've had an official word on PVP for ages. Our official word is and has always been, it's sort of there, you can do it, and we allow you to flag regions as forced-PVP if you want in mods, but it isn't the experience we're making. We aren't balancing our skills around killing other players - we're balancing them around killing hordes of monsters. Those are very different things.

    Cheating. We have again maintained that we are NOT providing a closed ecosystem. Again, there are other games that do this - and they were willing to shoulder the tradeoffs that you MUST MAKE to provide this. We weren't interested in those tradeoffs or that burden. They were not in keeping with the kind of game we wanted to make. We have never pretended or proposed that we would make a closed game and have been at great pains to make sure that people understand we are NOT providing it. We have endeavored to give you tools to play with only the people you want to, and to eject cheaters from your game and never see them again.

    The idea that mods somehow reduce the longevity of a game is something I don't understand at all, and can't think of a single instance of it being true, ever. And EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE I WOULDN'T CARE! I like mods.

    If the idea of another person cheating at a game invalidates all of your enjoyment of the game you are playing, I don't even know what to do with that. How does anyone ever enjoy a game of Solitaire? I mean, you can just TURN OVER THE CARDS! The rules are not enforced! How can anyone read a novel? You can just FLIP TO THE END! More to the point - anyone out there in the world could be flipping to the end before you!

    If a strictly enforced online environment that prevents any other player from cheating or modifying the files is required for your enjoyment, then this game will NOT be fun for you I guess, and that's ok!

    That's not the game we made. I'm all right with that.

    We don't need the game to provide unlimited replayability for all time in order to feel that we succeeded at our goals, or for this to be successful for us. We think it's really fun, and super-replayable, and we like it and enjoy playing it. That's enough for us.
  • PokeyPokey Posts: 1,031
    MEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEERGED!

    :D
    “WITH A FEW SMALL MODIFICATIONS, ANY CANOE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!!!”

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  • PokeyPokey Posts: 1,031
    CheesyPeas wrote:
    What would an overpowered kitten affix be? I'm going to go with 'fluffy'. Although 'adorable' is quite good, too.

    FUS RO DAH!

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  • <3 Runic Games forever!
  • PokeyPokey Posts: 1,031
    Thanks, Travis. A lovely post.
    “WITH A FEW SMALL MODIFICATIONS, ANY CANOE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!!!”

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  • freddyfreddy Posts: 326
    And EVEN IF IT WERE TRUE I WOULDN'T CARE! I like mods.

    Words of the day!
  • CheesyPeasCheesyPeas Posts: 1,250
    I hate to be all sycophantic but ...
    What's the 'endgame' of Nethack?

    I love that you said that.

    I don't hate being sycophantic. May I carry your books? Can I make you an omelet?
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  • Thank **** Runic wants the same thing in a game that I want.

    See you all around the campfires in Torchlight :)

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  • It's pretty sad when even the developers are getting annoyed with all of these "Closed servers are necessary" threads :(
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  • Actually, I'm thinking of several affixes following the formula:
    (item) of the (affix) kitten

    Affix could be:
    ornery
    fluffy
    angry
    adorable, etc.

    They would all have a chance to aoe a stun effect which causes affected monsters to stand in place saying "Oh. How cute."
    The various affixes would control time of stun.
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  • travisbaldree, great post, although you could just write the
    it's really fun, and super-replayable, and we like it and enjoy playing it
    part!

    That's pretty close to what I was trying to say in my previous post: in Diablo2, it was more enjoyable to make another playthrough with unusual build than farming Baal or cows. And now, on top of that, Runic makes this another playthrough more randomized and fun. What not to love about this?
  • ThomasJThomasJ Posts: 618
    Endgame in an action rpg. Now that is a new one. I could understand wanting endgame in a mmo but action rpg ? No thanks!
  • This constant barrage of endgame closed server MMO **** is actually kind of getting annoying. I come on these servers to get my daily dose of TL2 excitement and, while I respect these people's opinions, they just seem to clutter the general discussion forum.


    Please Runic Devs, create an endgame/closed server discussion forum and let them whine over there...


    Dejnov.
  • If a strictly enforced online environment that prevents any other player from cheating or modifying the files is required for your enjoyment, then this game will NOT be fun for you I guess, and that's ok!

    QFT
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  • It's breathtaking that the OP has managed to offer us so much that is wrong with gaming attitudes today in a single post. I may just have to print this and frame it for posterity.
  • PokeyPokey Posts: 1,031
    If a strictly enforced online environment that prevents any other player from cheating or modifying the files is required for your enjoyment, then this game will NOT be fun for you I guess, and that's ok!

    QFT

    This ^
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  • Dejnov wrote:
    This constant barrage of endgame closed server MMO **** is actually kind of getting annoying. I come on these servers to get my daily dose of TL2 excitement and, while I respect these people's opinions, they just seem to clutter the general discussion forum.


    Please Runic Devs, create an endgame/closed server discussion forum and let them whine over there...


    Dejnov.

    Its just the topic of the month that comes and goes around here all the time. Wait until the game releases, and it will all vanish in thin air, and then we can get a respite until some other topic crops up.

    This awesome community has waded these short storms, and we will continue to do so :)

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  • Remember when it wasn't all about "closed servers vs. no closed servers"
    ... of course then it was about "respec vs. no respec".
    Current Commander of the Fellowship of Knights Errant.
  • CheesyPeasCheesyPeas Posts: 1,250
    SaraSophia wrote:
    Remember when it wasn't all about "closed servers vs. no closed servers"
    ... of course then it was about "respec vs. no respec".

    I can't pick out the individual words anymore; I just read it as 'Is this more or less like Diablo 2'.

    Except the post about sexism that actually prefaced itself by saying that it was well done that there wasn't any at all in TL2. That was a pretty heroic effort.
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  • gerdezgerdez Posts: 189
    Pokey wrote:
    If a strictly enforced online environment that prevents any other player from cheating or modifying the files is required for your enjoyment, then this game will NOT be fun for you I guess, and that's ok!

    QFT

    This ^

    Thanks Travis.
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  • Thanks Mr Baldree :mrgreen:
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    <3 Long live Runic!
    Mods don't extend longevity for RPGs, it kills it

    orly?
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  • The game will have endgame. it will definitely have a better endgame with private servers, it only makes sense.
    Don't like private servers? Don't play on them. Theres no reason to hate something that won't affect you. If anything, you should be happy you'd be segregated from people who don't hold your views.
  • Notice the OP has left and hasn't posted anything else......Do I smell FEAR?
  • Notice the OP has left and hasn't posted anything else......Do I smell FEAR?

    No I think it may be a troll you were smelling ;)

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  • gerdezgerdez Posts: 189
    edited September 2012
    Yadda yadda

    You again, with "let's spam Runic forums"? Please stop. Tell them to stop.
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  • Rathmaker wrote:
    Notice the OP has left and hasn't posted anything else......Do I smell FEAR?

    No I think it may be a troll you were smelling ;)

    ~Rathmaker~


    I thought I smelled something funny on opening this thread...
    Mods don't extend longevity for RPGs, it kills it

    orly?
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  • Isn't the map room and a few NG+ the endgame!? That's quite enough endgame for me! Besides, I'm quite looking forward to the start - center and end of the game!
    If this is your first time at loot club...you have to loot!!

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  • PokeyPokey Posts: 1,031
    gerdez wrote:
    Yadda yadda

    You again, with "let's spam Runic forums"? Please stop. Tell them to stop.

    BACK TO THE SHADOW! (D2jsp)

    YOU SHALL NOT PASS!
    “WITH A FEW SMALL MODIFICATIONS, ANY CANOE CAN TRAVEL THROUGH TIME!!!”

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