Who would ever thought - D3 launching before T2

[Twotricks]

I been lurking these forums for a year now awaiting launch of Torchlight 2.

Many times I wanted to post about my opinion that T2 should launch early, even before D3 beta. In order to maximize its financial success and player base.
But launch is delayed and delayed.

I know Runic is trying to make the game as polished as possible.

But timing is just as important as polish.
And timing was nearing red line even last year...

But now sadly , i think its botched completely

Diablo 3 is launching April 17th.
This is still a rumor but a very solid one.

I honestly feel sorry for Runic.
I will buy the game just to support Runic. But
I have no time to play two very similar games - so i will choose the obvious.

And what about other people that are not fans of runic but of H&S RPGs ?
If T2 was launched considerably before Diablo 3 , there would be no question and all would buy it.

But now ? Whats the point ?
It will be only a game for die hard followers and haters of blizzard....

This is missed pitch....

[laharl9999]

Just look at this topic.

Spoiler: show

Torchlight 2 has advantages :

-OFFLINE
-LAN PLAY
-MODDABILITY
-FISHING
-NO CASH SHOP OR RMAH (belive me it means the gameplay just want to be FUN and there won't be gameplay choices won't be affected by "how much money will spent players if we remove this or make this item drop chance 0,00000000000001 % )
-CARTOON GRAPHIC
-PETS
-ENCHANTING (this time you won't be able to wipe item enchants)
-LEVEL 100 (this time more skill balance and end game content)


Did I say that you can play OFFLINE (no internet connection, no lag, no server problem, can be played when you move, no nerfs and updates that destroys your planned build ...) ?

When people will get bored of Diablo 3 (and the "real money gameplay created" ), they will look to TL2 and see all the advantages.
What matters is how much FUN and how will you ENJOY the gameplay experience.
Until now everyone who played TL2 said it was really fast, even more action than Diablo 3 and better than the original.
If you enjoyed playing Tl1 you won't want to miss the more polished and deep content TL2 with all new features (fast loading time, outddores areas, end-game content...)

[RayBanJockey]

Honestly I'd launch a game after D3. Then people have time to get D3 out of their systems a bit and go over to TL2 when they realise what is missing from the former!

Also, if D3 is released April 17:th I'll eat my hat Italian marketing scams ftw.

[Wilds]

I don't see this as a problem.
I love torchlight, and I guess it will last longer than diablo 3 because of it's modding capabilities.
Hope torchlight 2 will be released soon.

[Zidders]

Well, shoot.

Guess that's it, then. Might as well close up shop. Put the chairs upside down on the tables, block out the windows, lock er up tight.

It was fun while it lasted. Goodnight, friends. Sure has been fun!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xGytDsqkQY8&ob=av3e









Really tho, Runic will be fine. Plenty of people will get both, or go with Torchlight II because Diablo III is sixty freaking dollars and were in a freaking depression lol.The whole D3 vs TL II thing is really very silly.

[adoomgod]

OH GOD! ANOTHER D3 TL2 THREAD!

Call the firemen! Fill buckets with water!

CUZ THE FLAMEZ B COMINGZ!

Just a prediction.

[Omnifas]

As cliche as it sounds, and as much as Runic has stated themselves...their schedule is not affected by Diablo 3. They will polish it until they feel it is ready. Which is the right way to go. Runic is going the humble route, it is better to create something that'll draw attention(sales) on its own merit than to attempt to leech attention(pre-D3 filler sales).

And what about other people that are not fans of runic but of H&S RPGs ?

Wouldn't a "fan of H&S" just buy both, if not all available in the genre, or reserve judgement until they are all available? Personally I wouldn't consider a person a fan of a genre if they pick sides, or decide solely based on branding.

[jamesL]

..

this is a dead horse
this has been posted many, many times before

if you don't want to play 2 very similar games , then don't
that's your choice
but I will play D3, TL2, POE and Grim Dawm -- all very similar games

well, maybe not,
it depends on when GW2 is coming out
I'm definitely buying it
so I'm not sure I'm going to spend $60 for GW2 and $60 for D3
maybe I'd be better off spending $60 for GW2 and $20 for TL2 and skipping D3

Runic is in this for the long haul
unlike Blizzard, they don't have WoW money that they can sit on while they develop their next game
Runic isn't thinking about the next 6 months and competing with D3
they're thinking of competing with all the other games coming to market over the next 2 years
they're thinking about making a game so awesome that people will still be buying it 24 months after its release

Runic and TL2 will do just fine

Diablo 3 is launching April 17th.
This is still a rumor but a very solid one.

[Twotricks]

There is no question that people posting and reading this forum would vouch for Runic and buy the game no mater what.
And without doubt there were a lot of D3 posts.
But only because people are worried and would like to see Runic get just reward for hard work they do.

As it is now , launching game as same time as D3 is same as making concert of your Heavy metal band in same night Metallica is playing in town...
You are going to get handful of groupies and thats all...

Best bet for Torchlight 2 now is to take additional 6 more months , polish to super uber perfection. And Launch when people get bored with Diablo 3

[Zidders]

Actually, considering the music they've been making since ...And Justice for All album, i'm pretty sure holding a metal concert starring your band on a night Metallica is in town is probably the bestthing you can do.

Spoiler: show

[laharl9999]

Best bet for Torchlight 2 now is to take additional 6 more months , polish to super uber perfection. And Launch when people get bored with Diablo 3

I agree with you on this point.

And they can think on how to make end game non repetitive and boring, I think what Diablo 3 choose is interesting, I hope Runic look at some of the gameplay mecanisms in D3 and improve them :

You will not be farming bosses. Bosses won’t drop the best loot, they won’t even drop really great loot. Part of DiabloWikiInferno and our intent with getting people out into the world and hunting and killing lots of different things is putting the best loot on rare and champion packs, and the great thing about rare and champion packs is they have random affixes. They’re like a box of chocolates. Murderous, snarling, blood-soaked chocolates. You’re not going up against a boss where you know “Build A” is the best way to minmax against it because it has abilities and resistances X, Y, and Z. What is the best build vs. an “Arcane Enchanted, Teleporter, Frozen, Knockback” skeleton pack? Got that figured out? Cause it’s not going to be the best against the next pack you come across, and you’re going to want to kill that one just as much.

You might have a specialized build that is super strong against some of these things, and not against others. Your focus is going to be on the balance between taking on all of these possibilities and surviving, and it’s that balance that makes for a ton of interesting options and variance.

The one question mark for a lot of people, and maybe even us, is what stops someone from seeing a pack, backing out (or dying) and swapping out to be better equipped to handle it? We agree that shouldn’t be the best way to play, but know it’s something we can solve pretty easily, even if it’s just making the swapping cooldown longer in later difficulties.

In any case, his point was that you could absolutely make the best build against one type of enemy, and that build could completely fail against another. It’s not D2 where you pump all your points into one ability, we’re going for some depth in our combat, but it’s your choice of tools (and there are a lot of them) that will define your character versus another.

[kaosweilder]

Hmmm. Interesting point OP makes and thus it kinda compels me to show him the other side of the universe *cough* grass
Here is what drives me to not buy D3, or even remotely care for it:
1. My internet connection sucks right now and I don't want to get bogged down with always online to play campaign thingy. I can't afford a new connection. Sorry if I'm not as rich as others are
2. $60 for a game ? No thanks. Last year I've seen my moniez go down the drain enough times to repeat the same mistake again
3. Modding. I plan to do it.
4. I like cartoonish art.
5. Runic are Indie. They will shut up and take my money

[Omnifas]

Just a general observation, please take no offense. Why do everyone of these type of threads assumes Runic has no idea what they are doing? I'm sure Runic has discuss this topic with much more depth than any of these threads ever reached. We should take Runic's advice once more when it comes to business, "Don't worry too much about this business stuff". Runic said that when PWE invested in them. We all assumed PWE would mess with Runic in one way or another, but here we are completely wrong.

[Zidders]

Great. Now i'm craving blood soaked chocolates. THANKS, laharl9999 *hops off, grumbling*

[Twotricks]

Just a general observation, please take no offense. Why do everyone of these type of threads assumes Runic has no idea what they are doing? I'm sure Runic has discuss this topic with much more depth than any of these threads ever reached. We should take Runic's advice once more when it comes to business, "Don't worry too much about this business stuff". Runic said that when PWE invested in them. We all assumed PWE would mess with Runic in one way or another, but here we are completely wrong.

I take no offense. And I think you are right.

I am just stating my oppinion - "Better to release early and get all users , than released "feature complete" and get only fraction of users"

Runic was faced with hard decision, and they made the right choice - but the right choice was not a good choice.

[BrianW]

But now ? Whats the point ?
It will be only a game for die hard followers and haters of blizzard....

This is missed pitch....

Nope, I don't think so at all. OP, would this even be an issue if we were talking about shooters? Why is it that you think that there is only room in the world for one H&S?

[Brixtan]

@OP: Thanks for the post. It really is an argument that we've heard on this very forum by other lurkers many times over now though, as they say, tired post is tired. Unfortunately, there is room for more than one ARPG game in the genre and I don't think anyone, either at Runic, or it's longtime followers, are all that concerned about D3's launch (which is a rumor at this point, gg) in comparison to it's negligible impact on future TL2 sales.

Thanks for your marketing strategery though

[Twotricks]

But now ? Whats the point ?
It will be only a game for die hard followers and haters of blizzard....

This is missed pitch....

Nope, I don't think so at all. OP, would this even be an issue if we were talking about shooters? Why is it that you think that there is only room in the world for one H&S?

Same would be if we were talking shooters.

If let say you would launch a shooter in same time Valve launches HL3

But we are not talking shooters -
Since shooters have limited playtime 10-15 hours

We are talking H&S , games that you play for ages - especially dynamic generated content ones.

Its not like people will play D3 for 20 hours and than look for other H&S game.


But , alas
My point was made.

The sales will talk the rest...

[Webbstre]

Shooters have a limited gameplay of 10-15 hours? Man, all those Call of Duty and Left For Dead communities are going to be ashamed of all the time they wasted on a 10 hour game. Also pretty sure that this means all those gameplay time stats Steam has up must be wrong.

Having talked to three people outside of Runic who have played both Torchlight 2 at the fansite event last November and the Diablo 3 beta, I'm entirely not worried, and Runic isn't either.

Am I disappointed that Torchlight 2 isn't out yet? Yes, but I'd rather have a finished game than a rushed game.

[civilian]

Wait. So I can't buy both games?