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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby xani » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:37 am

Zidders wrote:
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Chthon wrote:Having each weapon attack at full speed is required by realism, but this is a video game so we don't have to care about realism.

Realism, what realism ? In what army soldiers were dualwielding weapons ?


http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dual_wield

Also, here's a great post from one of the folks over at myArmoury
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Did you just read first 2 sententes and started answering ? I wrote after that:
xani wrote: I'm pretty sure there isn't much of them, just because in "real" combat having even small shield is more useful, and if someone is using off-hand weapon it's usually for parrying, and "opportunity attacks", not as just "can i haz more attacks?".

I did not say dual-wield was not used at all, but there wasn't any army using it (because of what you said, hard to learn with not that many benefits etc. also less equipment = cheaper army :D ), and that if used it wasn't on par with main weapon, just "extra" for parrying and occasional stab. Dont misquote like that.

As for dual-wielding ranged, Mythbusters did a great show about it, they tested various "movie" styles of shooting guns and conclusion was that DW sucks and you're better off with shooting one gun, u'll hit more
It's still damn cool tho :D
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby BrianW » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:43 pm

Don't really want to lock this thread if I don't have to. *puts the train back on the tracks* ;)
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby xani » Tue Apr 17, 2012 12:51 pm

you *could* rename it to "dual wielding in video games" :lol:

Does Runic plans to show up on similiar event in next say 3 months (so we can haz more videos) ? :D
Also is "press beta" (or early access) planned ? I'd love to see some totalbiscuit's videos about TL :D
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby dreamrider » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:15 pm

xani wrote:As for dual-wielding ranged, Mythbusters did a great show about it, they tested various "movie" styles of shooting guns and conclusion was that DW sucks and you're better off with shooting one gun, u'll hit more
It's still damn cool tho :D


Dual-wielding pistols made a lot more sense when the technology only extended to double-barreled horse pistols, or at most six-shooters. In the days of the 15-round Glock, however...

And, of course, all TL pistols are apparently phasers with faster or slower recharge cycle times, not expending precious ammo at all.

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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby jamesL » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:16 pm

xani wrote:...
Does Runic plans to show up on similiar event in next say 3 months (so we can haz more videos) ? :D

well, they're going to be here in approximately 4 months
http://prime.paxsite.com/
but we don't know the exact date
the count down timer is actually counting UP from the last PAX :o
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby detama » Tue Apr 17, 2012 2:30 pm

let's just trust the Devs for now, if the dual wielding turn out to be really bad after the game release, they can simply make a patch for that
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby jamesL » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:06 pm

detama wrote:let's just trust the Devs for now, if the dual wielding turn out to be really bad after the game release, they can simply make a patch for that

or we can go to Pax Prime and kick their butt !
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby xani » Tue Apr 17, 2012 3:13 pm

dreamrider wrote:And, of course, all aRPG guns are apparently phasers with faster or slower recharge cycle times, not expending precious ammo at all.

there, fixed that for ya :D Tho to be fair some had actual quivers but with amounts of ammo used in aRPGs to be realistic player would have to have mule cart full of ammo following him. And dont forget telepatically reloaded crossbows :lol: I guess since d2 every ranged hero learned to use magic arrow ;D
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby detama » Tue Apr 17, 2012 8:58 pm

BrianW wrote:Don't really want to lock this thread if I don't have to. *puts the train back on the tracks* ;)


ok, in PAX we've learned that TL2 will be out "at least" a month after D3's release date, when will you guys give some further news about release date?
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby adoomgod » Tue Apr 17, 2012 9:31 pm

detama wrote:
BrianW wrote:Don't really want to lock this thread if I don't have to. *puts the train back on the tracks* ;)


ok, in PAX we've learned that TL2 will be out "at least" a month after D3's release date, when will you guys give some further news about release date?


When they feel they are around a month away from completing their game...

Guys, I want the game out as much or more than the rest of you, and while this sort of question haunts us, it isn't very practical. They are building a game not from scratch but still leaning towards "from the bottom up." This process takes in to account a lot of factors, from designing the desired features to, models, animations, art, sound, coding, tweaking the engine, balancing, writing, cinematics, polishing, setbacks, etc. When your goal is not to meet a deadline but instead to make as good a product as you can, how would YOU go about committing to a deadline?

If I took on the project of curing cancer, creating a masterpiece, writing a novel, or anything where you don't know what exactly the finished product will be until I've finished making it, instead of committing to some inane date I'd simply commit to working my ass off to finish it as soon as I can.

Funny, I'm pretty sure that's what Runic is doing. Funny, that last statement sums up the whole point of my rant.

They will release the release date when they are 99% (1% unseen setbacks/needed changes) of what the date will be. I mean seriously, reading comments on websites mentioning tl2 and posts here it almost seems like people feel Runic is hiding the release date or something.

It hasn't been announced because they don't know when they are releasing yet.

Why do we ask something that will be answered as soon as the answer actually exists? It won't bring it any faster.
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby jamesL » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:11 pm

I can't find the quote, but I remember quite awhile ago (a year?) Runic was asked about D3 and Runic said TL2 would delayed at least a month because they would all take a month off to play it :D
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby amb2010 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:33 pm

detama wrote:
BrianW wrote:Don't really want to lock this thread if I don't have to. *puts the train back on the tracks* ;)


ok, in PAX we've learned that TL2 will be out "at least" a month after D3's release date, when will you guys give some further news about release date?


Totally incorrect. TL2 will release when it's ready. The bit about "release one month after D3" in no way translates into "TL2 will be out at least a month after D3". The statement simply says if by any strange coincidence TL2 finishes near D3's release we will delay it. It could be out before, or it could be out a month after D3 or it could be out 2 months after.

Now I know you folks are super impatient and the only release date that make you happy is "right now" so I put together a wonderful puzzle for ya to solve to get the release date. Maybe the extra effort required to get the answer will make it sink in a bit better (although I highly doubt you'll take the time to even bother).
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby detama » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:48 pm

amb2010 wrote:
detama wrote:
BrianW wrote:Don't really want to lock this thread if I don't have to. *puts the train back on the tracks* ;)


ok, in PAX we've learned that TL2 will be out "at least" a month after D3's release date, when will you guys give some further news about release date?


Totally incorrect. TL2 will release when it's ready. The bit about "release one month after D3" in no way translates into "TL2 will be out at least a month after D3". The statement simply says if by any strange coincidence TL2 finishes near D3's release we will delay it. It could be out before, or it could be out a month after D3 or it could be out 2 months after.

Now I know you folks are super impatient and the only release date that make you happy is "right now" so I put together a wonderful puzzle for ya to solve to get the release date. Maybe the extra effort required to get the answer will make it sink in a bit better (although I highly doubt you'll take the time to even bother).
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Bonus points if you even know what that is called.


you totally misunderstand what i've said, it means TL2 can be released the earliest at one month after D3, not saying it will be released that day. letting TL2 release before june 15th if you want to prove me wrong. i guess you just get used to make fun of anyone who's crying for a release date which makes you didn't even bother to read carefully what they were trying to say, and that makes you misunderstand what i've said, which makes you the truely impatient one. and that's not including the 0% possibility for you to recognize that i'm just making a joke for what BrianW said
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby hawkn » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:53 pm

Oh, the joking nature of your post was just oozing through the serious facade...
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby amb2010 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:56 pm

Like I said that's not true. You're using "at least" incorrectly. You're stating TL2 has, at the minimum 2 months before release (D3 has a month to go before release) and that is just not true. It's highly possible but the statement was that if TL2 finished near May 15th, they'd delay it. If it finish before May 15th (or that week or w/e) then they won't delay it. Regardless of if you were joking or not, you were misinterpreting the quote and I was merely stating that.

My comment at the end was a joke as well, I'm guessing you didn't try to decode it.
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby detama » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:58 pm

hawkn wrote:Oh, the joking nature of your post was just oozing through the serious facade...


that's what jokes usually do, it is a joke, and it can also be treated seriously, what i'm trying to say is, instead of arguing dual wielding, some worse title may came up, which lead to arguing dual wielding may not be the worst discussion, and hawkn, if you really think that way, then i can't tell you anything different compare to amb2010
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby detama » Tue Apr 17, 2012 10:59 pm

amb2010 wrote:Like I said that's not true. You're using "at least" incorrectly. You're stating TL2 has, at the minimum 2 months before release (D3 has a month to go before release) and that is just not true. It's highly possible but the statement was that if TL2 finished near May 15th, they'd delay it. If it finish before May 15th (or that week or w/e) then they won't delay it. Regardless of if you were joking or not, you were misinterpreting the quote and I was merely stating that.

My comment at the end was a joke as well, I'm guessing you didn't try to decode it.


wrong, you didn't read the news carefully, it is one month before or after D3, not just only after, if you don't believe me, go look at the news again, again, it is "one month away from D3", forward and backward, so unless they release before april 15, but it is passed already, so earliest is june 15th
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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby hawkn » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:00 pm

I read your post three times, and I'm still not sure if you realized my post was sarcastic.

Also, you're taking Max's words as set in stone (typically not a great idea).

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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby detama » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:04 pm

hawkn wrote:I read your post three times, and I'm still not sure if you realized my post was sarcastic.

Also, you're taking Max's words as set in stone (typically not a great idea).


do you mean i should reply even more rude due to your sarcastic post? no thanks. as assistant of this forum, you really shouldn't behave like that.
i don't trust if they said it is going to release that day, but i will trust if they said they won't release on that day, because i don't see any reason not to trust it.

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Re: PAX East 2012 News, Infos, Videos, Screenshots...

Postby amb2010 » Tue Apr 17, 2012 11:10 pm

Indeed I did miss the bit about either side so I'll admit I was wrong on that end. Though if you want to point out technicalities, it's a week or two on either side not a month. That means it has until the end of April to release before that applies :P

(not entirely sure why I edited my post to admit I was wrong considering it's already been quoted..also made the conversation super confusing)

Anyways I'm sure we just made Brian cringe so *rerail*

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