Could TL2 theoretically be hacked into allowing WASD play?

[hawkn]

And now a personal perspective on trolling and trollcalling. Don't trollcall, it's insulting if you're wrong, and feeding if you're right. Instead, you should only report and move on. Makes the world a nicer place that way.

I haven't called anyone a troll! ^_^



some people have called me a troll but they are only being silly, and what is the point of a thread that has no time for silliness? none, I say. silliness is an extra-essential requisite for enjoyable conversation, it is proven science fact.

Haha, I like this guy.

[DarkTails]

I remember when comics weren't all soap operas, coffee was 10 cents, and you used to be able to ask something and expect useful responses. Now you have to add disclaimers to questions to hopefully stave off the inevitable douchebags who derail topics by talking about stupid irrelevant crap like comics on a video game board and 30 year-old coffee prices. What a horrible world this has turned into.

Also, what's WASD? White anglo saxon dingo?

[Arkham]

Also, what's WASD? White anglo saxon dingo?

Wireless Airborne Stabilization Drink

[dreamrider]

Its the opposite of PL:"

dreamrider

[FalconHeart]

I liked the WSAD-movement in Sacred 2. It allowed you to retrace your steps while resting the index finger of your right hand. But then, the endless running around for quests was a major design flaw in Sacred 2. Thus, the WSAD-movement was only a convenience for a greater inconvenience (leaving out the fact that Sacred 2 was also created for consoles).

[xani]

...wonder if there are any arcades in Austin? >:] (no wonder his twitter is twinstickgames) My highest score back in the 80's was pretty close to that, but it's been many years since I played at a stand up cabinet. MAME just isn't the same (and now I can't even get my damn MAME games to work)

Welllllllllllllllllll some ppl build cabinets and put MAME in it, best of both worlds

[Mushroom]

...wonder if there are any arcades in Austin? >:] (no wonder his twitter is twinstickgames) My highest score back in the 80's was pretty close to that, but it's been many years since I played at a stand up cabinet. MAME just isn't the same (and now I can't even get my damn MAME games to work)

Welllllllllllllllllll some ppl build cabinets and put MAME in it, best of both worlds

Yup. My wife and I built our own stand-up MAME cabinet (we did the carpentry between us, she did the wiring, and I wrote the front-end software and modded my own version of MAME to run on it).

If you remember back to that office visit video last year, you'll see that the Runic guys also have a MAME cabinet in their office. I asked about it at the time and (if I remember correctly) was told that Travis had put it together.

[Zidders]

My issue is, one of the last things I really torrented (before I really stopped doing that sort of thing >.>) was the entire mame collection. Took me forever. Then, Mame got updated..and now, every single game i've tried to play no longer works. I've tried to fix it and no matter what I try, nothing works. As far as a cabinet goes..I don't have the skill to build one, we don't have the money to buy one, and I can't stand up or sit down to play at a cabinet, since i'm disabled and have to keep my legs elevated most of the day, which means i'm in a medical bed most of the time.

[releppes]

And now a personal perspective on trolling and trollcalling. Don't trollcall, it's insulting if you're wrong, and feeding if you're right. Instead, you should only report and move on. Makes the world a nicer place that way.

^^^THIS^^^

Maybe I'm the one who's dense here. Seemed like a normal question to me. I know it was asked before with TL1. I was surprised the very first response was a troll call. Seriously I love Torchlight, but this community has little to be desired at times. You're all helpful and smart. Is it possible to just answer questions without cutting people down?

[Zidders]

To be fair, while this community doed have it's moments, I don't really think we're SO bad that we require a few preemptive paragraphs about why people shouldn't troll in the op's initial post. Last I checked, nobody was cutting anyone down in this thread. I think people are being just a teensy bit paranoid lol and please don't take that as me knocking you down. You gotta admit, the op was looking for trolling where there wasn't any and there hasn't been any, at least none that wasn't inspired by the op's assuming they'd get trolled. I mean, when ya do that, you kinda invite it, just sayin'. Noones been mean about it, at least. Smile. Relax.

[releppes]

...You gotta admit, the op was looking for trolling where there wasn't any and there hasn't been any, at least none that wasn't inspired by the op's assuming they'd get trolled. I mean, when ya do that, you kinda invite it, just sayin'. Noones been mean about it, at least. Smile. Relax.

Like I said, I must have missed that underlying message in the OP.

moving on...

[gold163]

Maybe I'm the one who's dense here. Seemed like a normal question to me. I know it was asked before with TL1. I was surprised the very first response was a troll call. Seriously I love Torchlight, but this community has little to be desired at times. You're all helpful and smart. Is it possible to just answer questions without cutting people down?

Look, in my defense I wouldn't have brought up the subject of trolling at all (and in all likeliness, neither would have anybody else) if it wasn't not-so-subtly hinted at beforehand in a small, hard to read color text disclaimer using highly defensive language. So yeah, you missed it. I don't know if that was sarcasm or not. Don't let my one post reflect on the entire community.

If you ask, "is it possible to just answer questions without cutting people down," my answer would be "yes, but only if whoever's asking the question isn't trying to cut others down first." It just seems odd to me that you'd ask a question and then immediately afterwards say, "but wait, if you're not going to answer my question directly then go away, because nobody cares." If you can't assume the best intentions of others then this sort of reaction shouldn't be surprising at all. Want an answer from the devs? Email them or contact them on Twitter. Don't post them on a public forum where people are supposed to be discussing things.

On-topic, yeah, I figured it wouldn't be feasible to put in WASD. Possible? Yes. Playable? Maybe. Difficult to do? Probably. At the end of the day it's probably best to play the game in the way that it was intended. You could try playing a first person shooter with a Guitar Hero controller but it probably wouldn't work well nor would it be very fun (believe me, I've tried).

[releppes]

...You could try playing a first person shooter with a Guitar Hero controller but it probably wouldn't work well nor would it be very fun (believe me, I've tried).

Well, maybe if you could make your character dance on someone's grave. Now tell me that wouldn't be fun?

[Zanchito]

If the console / gamepad control scheme is included in the PC version, I'm guessing there might be a possibility of assigning gamepad stick commands to WSAD.

[gold163]

It won't be, though. Torchlight on XBLA only worked because many aspects of the game were redesigned specifically with gamepad controls in mind, like moving characters in the direction they attack. TL2 is click to move/attack. Even if you hacked together directional controls I don't think it would work or feel exactly the way anybody wants it to because so many functions overlap.

[nnezz]

I don't see the big problem. Pathing is certainly not an issue, because the computer has to figure out nothing about the path you have to take, since you're controlling the position entirely. Collisions maybe, but pathing no.

WASD to move. Mouse to aim weapons/spells.

The user community hacked together something for Titan's Quest (or was it Diablo 2? or both?!) to enable WASD movement and mouse aiming. It worked pretty well, though obviously a bit clunky because it was a layer on top of the game. But if THAT is possible, then surely it could be implemented by the developers quite easily. And without any kind of UI or interface change at all.

The only thing you change is to use WASD to move, instead of clicking with the mouse to move in a certain direction. You still aim with the mouse.

I laugh at the concern that gamers cannot figure out how to move and attack at the same time.
Even if you have to STOP to attack, that would be fine.

Anything else is over complicating what is truly a very simple thing to implement (for the developers).

[KaptainUfolog]

I think - yes. Because you can emulate mouse click at certain coordinates with key pressing.

[azshadowwalker]

I don't see the big problem. Pathing is certainly not an issue, because the computer has to figure out nothing about the path you have to take, since you're controlling the position entirely. Collisions maybe, but pathing no.

I'm just not completely sure why people find it so necessary. I actually find navigation by mouse click to be much, much easier than WASD.

[nnezz]

I don't see the big problem. Pathing is certainly not an issue, because the computer has to figure out nothing about the path you have to take, since you're controlling the position entirely. Collisions maybe, but pathing no.

I'm just not completely sure why people find it so necessary. I actually find navigation by mouse click to be much, much easier than WASD.

I guess we just differ in what we find easy or comfortable. If I am playing any kind of ranged class, then being able to walk left, while aiming at things that are on the far right, makes my gaming experience much more fun and enjoyable.
I truly dislike, but will suffer through for the sake of an otherwise good game, having to click every place I want to move to and then play tennis with the mouse cursor to kill things. Ground, enemy, ground, enemy, ground, enemy..

Instead, if I can keep the mouse cursor fixed on enemies or loot, the interaction with the game becomes less frantic. This is good, because for me that heightens immersion. The UI should get out of the way, or let me customize it as much as possible, so I don't notice it is there. That lets me focus on the game content.

Not everyone will feel like that. Some people prefer having to use only the mouse, even if it means they will be doing a lot more clicking. They enjoy all that clicking. Me, not so much. Basically, I'm wondering why we cannot have it both ways. Let those who enjoy using mouse only, use the mouse only. And let those of us who would like to move with the keyboard do that. It's not that much more technically complicated, if anything it requires less calculation.

[gold163]

You can't move and attack at the same time anyway. So any comfort you'd get from WASD is moot since you aren't really solving a problem. You'd just be holding an extra key down out of four that could have been used as shortcuts for spells instead. So instead of playing tennis with the cursor, now you're playing tennis with your fingers because if you keep both movement held down on the keyboard and attacking on a mouse button one of those is going to have to take priority. It's the same problem, because you're still clicking to attack on things but your character still has to pause in-between attacks. That's just how the game works. It's not made to be compatible with that sort of control method.

If you really want to use WASD in a game where it would be incredibly inefficient to do so, find a way to mod it in. It's possible, but it's not going to work perfectly specifically because the game mechanics are built around mouse control and movement. I'd wager it's not as simple as assigning keys to constant directional pathing and then checking for one or two cases of collisions. That's "the big problem", and I think you're really underestimating it. Asking Runic to change how the game works on such a fundamental level at this point in development is absurd.