Torchlight 2 and steam (region reservation)

[IvanoffAlex]

Hi

I would like to preorder torchlight 2 via steam for 19.99$.

However I can't.
You proposal to us next preorder price: viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23246
So, open steam in America and it's correct: http://store.steampowered.com/app/200710/?cc=us

If I open same title in my country I have seen http://store.steampowered.com/app/200710/?cc=ua with strange price.
I'm a little bit researching:
Steam App Id: 200710 (both cases)
US Sub Id: 14337 - Torchlight II Pre-Order
UA Sub Id: 14338 - Torchlight II Pre-Order Russia
You should take possibility to buy this game in our counry (or for all russia region) for full price (with sub id 14337). I think you can ask steam to add more buying option to your title. and more users will be happy

PS. My position is simple. I hate box (retail) copies. I buy only via steam store w/o "regional" limitation (try to buy full international version w/o any limitation). If I can buy it for full price I will buy it, otherwise I forget about.
Today I try demo of Torchlight first time and it looks nice and funny.

[JediFreeman]

The reason for there being a separate Russian Steam version is a publishing based one, not a content difference.

Same game, same content, nothing added or removed for either version.

[IvanoffAlex]

Hi JediFreeman.
Thank you for your quick answer.

I think you right.
However, I would like to pay "real" cost for you great work and cannot feel as "poor" russian guy and have possibility to choise.
I understand my strange opinion support only few exUSSR guys. Thanks for the insight our position.

[IvanoffAlex]

So, Can I hope that I have way to buy "full" version via Steam, avoid "russian" price and description.

It's annoying me so much.

[IvanoffAlex]

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[Seer]

Right, so if I'm understanding this correctly, you are paying a lower price in Russia than the rest of the world, and do not want to feel like the person who needs to get stuff for cheap, and desire to pay a full price like the rest of the world.

Well, just buy another copy if you want to pay more, and gift to a friend.

[IvanoffAlex]

Runic games or steam place exUSSR users to indian reservation. So I would like have option to buy international version instead of ROW.

[Zidders]

Tell you what. Buy yourself a copy of Torchlight II on Steam, pay the lower price, then buy a friend a copy or something. Donate to a charity. There's lots of things you can do if you feel you need to make up for paying too little.

[IvanoffAlex]

Tell you what. Buy yourself a copy of Torchlight II on Steam, pay the lower price, then buy a friend a copy or something. Donate to a charity. There's lots of things you can do if you feel you need to make up for paying too little.

You proposal me a little different things. So, of course I can do this. However, I would not to do.
1. I won't see "Torchlight II Pre-Order Russia" in my subscription list. proof: http://cdr.thebronasium.com/sub/14338
2. Russian (exUSSR) price broke world wide fair trade and broke FAQ page http://forums.runicgames.com/viewtopic.php?f=30&t=23246
3. I'm using Steam as very useful game container. (I disallow to buy from other places)
4. I hate Steam trade system because it's help unfair game trader make money based on difference of region prices.

And of course, If I have option to subscribe international version I will not use steam trade to exch smth to smth (I will just buy) and all ok for me.

[IvanoffAlex]

So, I have today regional price same as for US.
19,99$, sub id is different.
If price is same I propose you unite Pre-Order sub id to one (14337 + 14338 => 14337)

And I buy it quickly

[amb2010]

If I'm understanding correctly you feel like Runic or Steam is being prejudice or something towards Russians? Anyways just to make sure I'm understanding correctly, you won't buy the game unless:

1) They don't convert the cost from USD to the Russian currency (I don't know what the currency in Russia is or it's conversion rate)
2) Remove "Russia" from the label
3) Give them the exact same ID

For number one you'd end up paying MORE than normal so that's...bad isn't it? Two and three I'm assuming are related to the way Steam handles publishing and it has nothing to do with where you're from so I don't really see why it's a problem... So perhaps I'm just failing to understand horribly but I really see no logical reason to be upset or to not buy the game...

[IvanoffAlex]

Currently, It (pre-order) is cost same price 19.99$ in both cases and I haven't see any reason to devide this title to 2 sub id.

PS. I fought with exUSSR (indian) reservation.
It was devided by (titles in steam store):
1. Closed region (Civilization V, Dirt 3, Skyrim)
2. Availablility to run title only from allowed region (Witcher 2)
3. Different price + link subscription to concrete region (Torchlight 2)

However, Torchlight 1 has same sub id for all region.
So, I guess, If publisher ask steam to add possibility to buy world wide title for higher price it will helps to resolve issues with dump region.
Steam support asnwer me that all restrictions and price are setuped by publishers

[Zidders]

Look..you're only paying a little less. Why make Runic go through all the trouble, just to make people pay more? You realize paying less for it is a GOOD thing, right? If you feel the need to pay more for it, take the difference and buy some homeless people some food or something.

[IvanoffAlex]

Look..you're only paying a little less. Why make Runic go through all the trouble, just to make people pay more? You realize paying less for it is a GOOD thing, right? If you feel the need to pay more for it, take the difference and buy some homeless people some food or something.

We already pay same price.

[amb2010]

Hmm if I go to the Russian version of the steam site it still says the lower price.. Oh well, I guess the issue here I just don't understand what the problem is. Why is the game having "Russia" in the title or the ID being 1 number higher have to do with anything, especially with buying the game? It's the *exact* same game, there won't be any region locks or limited multiplayer. The developers have stated that. Could they be the same ID and name? Probably, perhaps Steam has it like that for a specific reason though. I still don't understand why it would be a problem though when it has no affect on the game at all.

[vampyren]

Look..you're only paying a little less. Why make Runic go through all the trouble, just to make people pay more? You realize paying less for it is a GOOD thing, right? If you feel the need to pay more for it, take the difference and buy some homeless people some food or something.

I think your missing the point. He dont want to have another subversion. For instance when Runic makes an update they have to do 2 versions and guess which version is prioritized? perhaps its released at the same time but if not i'm sure Russian version wont be the first they focus on.
I also hate localized version of things and always buy worldwide version if possible.

[IvanoffAlex]

http://store.steampowered.com/app/200710/?cc=ua - 19.99$ - 14338 (RU)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/200710/?cc=ru - 449 RUB (15.29$) - 14338 (RU)
http://store.steampowered.com/app/200710/?cc=us - 19.99$ - 14337 (International)

Why I should pay full price for RU version? And why I haven't possibility to buy International version?

[Zidders]

This is why Runic needs to take a page from Valves book and not release the game until the game is completely localized.As far as "Why should I pay full price, when I have to wait for it to be localized?" I understand that it's frustrating to have to wait, but it IS going to be translated;

We do plan to do localizations of Torchlight II -- which ones haven't been announced yet. The way it will work is that language options will get patched in for everyone as they become available. Additional languages will happen at some point after our English-language release. Hope that helps!

Just because it takes extra time for it to be translated does NOT mean you're 'lower priority'. Making sure a proper translation is done takes time. Most translators are freelance, then they have to think about quality control. How do they know the person translating did a good job? They need to hire someone else to check the translation once the translator translates it. It's a pretty involved process. It's not that they consider anyone low priority, it's that making sure you get a translation you're going to be happy with takes time.

If anything, that makes you extra special. They've got it easy with us default language speakers. For you, they go the extra mile.

[IvanoffAlex]

This is why Runic needs to take a page from Valves book and not release the game until the game is completely localized.

Ok, I do not need localized content. I play in most cases in English. It's enough for me.

[Zidders]

Um...forgive me if i'm misunderstanding someone here but..are you saying you want the international version because you don't want to be labeled as a Russian? o.0