Let us view others' Equipment&Stats

[simpleforce]

Since characters are going to be able to be "hacked" easily, Let us view other players' gear+stats so we know who to vote-kick. And people that are too good usually are tagged as "hackers" so they should have evidence to back themselves up against such accusations.


Sorry, I'm still really troubled that you guys didn't make characters closed. Something needs to be done to make things fair.

[DarkTails]

What are you so worried about? It's pretty obvious when someone has overpowered equipment, just kick them out. If you're suspicious of someone, just kick them out. They can't steal your items. You're not battling against each other. What's the problem?

[amb2010]

Fairness matters in a system that is competitive, something TL2 is not. If it bothers you, then play with friends. That's the point of TL2 and what it's designed around which is why there's limited security so I wouldn't expect it to happen.

[Mothius]

I don't care about competitive play, but one thing that i like is compare my equipament with my friends equipaments in the game, also i like to see how my friends are building his characters, his skills points and atributes, this is the reason because i would like to see a inspect feature in this game, is not for competitive play, is for what cool things that my friends are doing with his characters.

[amb2010]

Then..uh...ask him or her? I don't think it's really that impossible to ask a person in-game about their equipment or stats, especially if it's a friend. I do think it's a good feature and definitely something needed for the MMO but it was something suggested quite a bit a time ago already and still isn't in so the chances are pretty low I'm assuming.

[simpleforce]

Those were all really bad advices. I know there will be pvp modded in, but I want to make sure someone has 500 stat points (5 per level) instead of 550 (hacked) etc. I also want to know their gear doesn't have hacked stats. This goes for pvp as well as PvM. Who wants to pvm with hacked characters?

[adoomgod]

1. Somebody could hack a perfectly legit looking lvl 100.
2. Classes aren't balanced for pvp so one class will probably come out as strongest pvper.
3. If it makes you feel better, I requested an "inspect player" feature in my thread on beta feedback.

The game isn't secure and thus pvp isn't really a priority. I agree with what you want though, if not for the same reason.

I just think an inspect player feature is fun.

[Rusty]

I like the inspect player idea. In Spiral Knights they had that option, and it made it easy to see what cool armor someone was wearing.

[Inco]

Somebody could hack a perfectly legit looking lvl 100.

Somebody could, but that's not what usually happens.

I already intend to play with friends, but it'd be nice if I could meet some friendly people online as well, without having to worry about not having the tools to detect and remove obvious cheaters.

[simpleforce]

hacking to 100 no problem. Hacked stats using unfair advantages, big problem.

[amb2010]

and the point is: Why does fairness matter? If you aren't having fun playing with someone, then don't play with them. If they're one shotting everything then don't play with them. If they don't ever seem to lose health, don't play with them. If someone is moving ridiculously fast, don't play with them.

Any hacks that affect gameplay will be noticeable. Anything that would be annoying, will be annoying whether they hacked to it or got to it legitimately or through an exploit. You don't need a number to tell you someone is hacking or is not someone you want to play with. The feature would be a nice addition but that's it, it isn't a requirement nor is it a "hack finder" that'll ward em off or make it easier for you to spot, since it's already pretty easy to spot em honestly.

Even after that if you're paranoid, play with friends. That way if they hack you can smack em in the face.

[Arkham]

Even after that if you're paranoid, play with friends. That way if they hack you can smack em in the face.

Turns out TL2 does have unmodded PVP right out of the box, it's just IRL.

[Arlian]

That reminds me.

Since we have a friends/ignore list; Question@Runic: How many names can be added to the ignore list?

I don't expect there'd be a lot of hackers or others that would ruin the experience of the game; but if I'm playing for years and come across 100 cheaters; it would burn my oil to have a maximum of 50 ignorable players.

On topic:
It could be fun to see how they're building. But if they're friends; seeking advice from them per their build may be a case of blind-leading-the-blind. I'd check their gear more to see how I could improve them and less how I could improve myself.

If a fire-focused EM is running around with a 32DPS staff with +7 poison damage; I'd like to be able to give him the 86DPS staff with +12 fire damage without pestering him/her about each piece of gear or spamming:

Is [moss-eaten tunic of lame] better for you?
Will [over-the-top helmet of pimp-slapping] work on you?
Did you want [Epic-looking-but-actually-undesirable gloves of monster-control]?

Which reminds me: item linking in chat... pretty please?

[Seer]

I think inspecting other players would be nice, but I can imagine that it will need a fair amount of work for implementation. Depends on the load of the devs and the actual difficulty of making it work.

[Zidders]

1. Somebody could hack a perfectly legit looking lvl 100.
2. Classes aren't balanced for pvp so one class will probably come out as strongest pvper.
3. If it makes you feel better, I requested an "inspect player" feature in my thread on beta feedback.

The game isn't secure and thus pvp isn't really a priority. I agree with what you want though, if not for the same reason.

I just think an inspect player feature is fun.

This. I'd also like to have this include an option to turn off other peoples ability to inspect. Personally, this is a pretty standard mmo thing. It's already been gone over on plenty of mmo forums that some people just don't like you feeling them up with your mouse clicker. PvP is all about strategy, too.Lots of pvp players happen to consider being able to look at a prospective opponents gear as cheating. You just go over, mouse over someones stuff, and then duel anyone who doesn't have gear as good as you, or use specific gear to counter someones gear.

Basically, don't pvp people you don't know and don't trust.

Personally, I'm all for letting people inspect you if you want to, I just don;t like the idea of people checking out my gear without asking. I think it's rude.

[paralleluniverse]

What are you so worried about? It's pretty obvious when someone has overpowered equipment, just kick them out. If you're suspicious of someone, just kick them out. They can't steal your items. You're not battling against each other. What's the problem?

Asking for an inspect option isn't asking for a lot. And it's useful more generally than just the case the OP brought up. Sometimes you want to check out what others are wearing, in a simple and hassle-free way.

[Deadnoob]

Asking for an inspect option isn't asking for a lot. And it's useful more generally than just the case the OP brought up. Sometimes you want to check out what others are wearing, in a simple and hassle-free way.

No offense, parallel, but is it really all that complicated or that much of a hassle to ask?

Personally, I view the matter similarly to Zidders. For me it's simply a matter of basic etiquette. If you want to know something about me or my character, ask me. I'm likely in the minority, but that's how I've always viewed the matter of /inspect, even in MMOs.

[D2Hans]

Asking for an inspect option isn't asking for a lot. And it's useful more generally than just the case the OP brought up. Sometimes you want to check out what others are wearing, in a simple and hassle-free way.

No offense, parallel, but is it really all that complicated or that much of a hassle to ask?

Personally, I view the matter similarly to Zidders. For me it's simply a matter of basic etiquette. If you want to know something about me or my character, ask me. I'm likely in the minority, but that's how I've always viewed the matter of /inspect, even in MMOs.

I feel the same way when it comes to inspect. I do not mind if they ask.

[Neverr]

then it need to be optional, an "allow others to inspect me" option would be fine.

[Kukuku]

It could be fun to see how they're building. But if they're friends; seeking advice from them per their build may be a case of blind-leading-the-blind. I'd check their gear more to see how I could improve them and less how I could improve myself.

Yeah, that's one of the things I wouldn't like.

"YOU! Come here! What are you wearing?! What gems are you using?! Where are your points allocated?!"
What the hell dude? Can't we just play the game?
"Absolutely. So long as we're playing MY way. Now tell me what spells you are using. I am NOT carrying you man."
Carrying? What the hell? I thought you invited to the game for some fun? Screw this. Go back to watching Glee on your own. *Quit*